The Bad People

While PZ Myers has been busy with his rape accusations, Jerry Coyne (who remains silent about all the atheist infighting) has decided to take up his own version of social justice:

In the past two weeks I’ve nearly been hit twice by bicyclists in Hyde Park (the area in Chicago around the university). One, going through a stop sign, almost ran me down at high speed when I was crossing the street—legally, in the crosswalk. She was also carrying a large cake in a plastic container in one hand, so only one of her hands was on the handlebars…..If you ride a bicycle, and flout traffic laws, you are a bad person. What makes you think you’re entitled to violate the law? Stop at stop signs and stoplights, use a light at night, don’t ride on the sidewalks, and, for your own safety, wear a helmet.

I wonder if he will start complaining that we live in a bike culture and that innocent pedestrians are often preyed upon by bicyclists without helmets. Perhaps he’ll be posting anonymous accusations of another famous skeptic guilty of not having a light on his bike. Who can know how the mind of a Gnu works? But it is ironic that the good professor, who denies the existence of moral responsibility, feels so strongly about this that he labels law-flouting bicyclists as “bad people.” Then again, intellectual inconsistency is something we’ve come to expect from the Gnu atheists.

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13 Responses to The Bad People

  1. lotharson says:

    I greatly appreciate honest and constructive criticism of one’s worldview.

    That said, I do hope the New Atheism will disappear because it is mostly irrational bullying.

    However I fear this might be wishful thinking to think the movement will fade away.

    Lovely greetings from Germany.
    Liebe Grüsse aus Deutschland.

    Lothars Sohn – Lothar’s son

    http://lotharlorraine.wordpress.com

  2. stcordova says:

    “But it is ironic that the good professor, who denies the existence of moral responsibility, feels so strongly about this that he labels law-flouting bicyclists as “bad people.” ”

    LOL!

  3. Atheism says:

    This is a petty attack. But since you like playing that game, let me remind you that atheists are generally more intelligent than religious believers:

    http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/atheists-more-intelligent-than-religious-believers-says-new-study/

    (It also seems that conservatives aren’t particularly bright either)

  4. Michael says:

    So it is a petty attack to use humor to highlight the fact that Coyne cannot remain logically consistent with this views? Sounds to me like I hit a nerve.

    As for the point about intelligence, you dig yourself deeper in the hole. Please use your superior intelligence to answer a simple, and relevant, question:

    Why is it that this highly intelligent community cannot use reason and science to arrive at mutual consensus concerning the recent accusations of rape?

  5. Atheism says:

    You totally ignored the study. Nice.

    ”So it is a petty attack to use humor”

    LOLLOLOLLOL!!#mad#delusional

    ”to highlight the fact that Coyne cannot remain logically consistent with this views?”

    It’s pretty obvious that Coyne is using ‘bad’ as a placeholder for ‘something I don’t like and wish other people wouldn’t do’. When you spend several years taking cheap shots like that it stops being a matter of ‘highlighting facts’ and descends into pettiness.

    ”Why is it that this highly intelligent community cannot use reason and science to arrive at mutual consensus concerning the recent accusations of rape?”

    Because the best way to deal with something like that is to conduct a legal investigation which hasn’t happened yet. I think Myers was totally on point when he made that post exposing this situation. At least he didn’t cover it up (like the Catholic Church and their protection of child rapists) or dismiss the claims of these women out of hand.

  6. Michael says:

    You totally ignored the study. Nice.

    It’s irrelevant. Or are you trying to argue that since, in general, atheists are more intelligent than religious people according to the latest study, God must not exist?

    It’s pretty obvious that Coyne is using ‘bad’ as a placeholder for ‘something I don’t like and wish other people wouldn’t do’.

    To you, maybe. It’s not obvious to me he was making a wish. It’s obvious to me he thinks law-flouting bicyclists are bad people, which explains why he called the police on them and is expecting action from the police.

    When you spend several years taking cheap shots like that it stops being a matter of ‘highlighting facts’ and descends into pettiness.

    You only think it is a “cheap shot” because your leader is being criticized.

    Because the best way to deal with something like that is to conduct a legal investigation which hasn’t happened yet.

    Why invoke an expensive and mutually damaging legal investigation when the disagreement is among people who claim to be experts with reason and evidence? Sounds like all that talk about committing to reason and evidence was empty talk, as the two sides need to let someone else make the judgment for them.

    I think Myers was totally on point when he made that post exposing this situation. At least he didn’t cover it up (like the Catholic Church and their protection of child rapists) or dismiss the claims of these women out of hand.

    *facepalm*

    Just a few hours ago, you posted (in the Living in a Fantasy thread)

    “You’ve just picked out a couple of people from a very large movement and you’ve made generalizations on that basis. I for one would want to see a lot of evidence before accusing someone of rape.”

    Whoa! “I think Myers was totally on point when he made that post exposing this situation.” vs. “I for one would want to see a lot of evidence before accusing someone of rape.”

    Can’t make up your mind, eh?

    Clearly, you are talking out both sides of your mouth just to score points. But in doing so, you expose yourself as a troll and lose all credibility. I have no time for trolls who make things up as they go.

  7. Atheism says:

    ”Why invoke an expensive and mutually damaging legal investigation when the disagreement is among people who claim to be experts with reason and evidence? Sounds like all that talk about committing to reason and evidence was empty talk, as the two sides need to let someone else make the judgment for them.”

    ….

    You don’t think rape accusations should legally investigated? Are you insane?

    ”Whoa! “I think Myers was totally on point when he made that post exposing this situation.” vs. “I for one would want to see a lot of evidence before accusing someone of rape.”

    Can’t make up your mind, eh? Clearly, you are talking out both sides of your mouth just to score points.”

    Clearly, you lack basic reading comprehension skills. Yes I want to see more evidence and that’s why I favor a legal investigation. Myers has done a service by bringing this situation to light. In his post ‘What do you do when someone pulls the in and-hands you a grenade’ Myers did not accuse Shermer of being a rapist. If he has done so elsewhere I am not aware of this. But if he hasn’t then you have just shown yourself to be a liar and incapable of comprehending ordinary English.

  8. eveysolara says:

    Doesn’t seem to me like he just wanted to make the accusation public and have an investigationt. Looks more like he’s stating unsubstantiated accusations as fact.

    I did think about that. I live there already.

    Women get this all the time: if they’re raped, anonymous strangers everywhere will speculate that they are sexually depraved. Look at the young woman in the Steubenville case, just as one example.

    For me, it’s already started. People on twitter are already making up stories about my sexual crimes, and I knew that would happen.

    And I thought about that — I’m going to get tarred as the evil guy who publicized sexual misconduct charges against one of the biggest names in the business, and I’m about to get thoroughly slimed by a lot of people who are in denial about rape culture. I’m going to get blacklisted by a couple of orgs and I’ll probably be sending more weekends at home (which isn’t so bad), and I might get some lawyers buzzing around.

    And I thought…none of that is anywhere near as bad as being raped and your cries for justice being ignored. If just one woman is spared that, it’s all worth it.

    Shermer isn’t going to suffer, except in one way. He’ll still be invited to events as a Big Name, his books will still sell, bros will still love him and buy him a beer, but maybe women will be more cautious around him and he’ll have a harder time getting women at cons drunk. Maybe his pickup lines will be a little less effective.

    I think he’s getting off easy.
    http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/08/08/what-do-you-do-when-someone-pulls-the-pin-and-hands-you-a-grenade/comment-page-1/#comment-662322

  9. Michael says:

    You don’t think rape accusations should legally investigated? Are you insane?

    You miss the point. Myers tacitly accuses Shermer of rape and Shermer, through his lawyers, accuses Myer of defamation. Both men claim to champion reason and science. Why can’t they simply use reason and science to get to the truth?

    Clearly, you lack basic reading comprehension skills. Yes I want to see more evidence and that’s why I favor a legal investigation.

    My reading comprehension skills are fine. I read your claim: “I for one would want to see a lot of evidence before accusing someone of rape.” Yet you support Myers making such an accusation without supporting it with any evidence, for as Myers noted:“I will again emphasize, though, that I have no personal, direct evidence that the event occurred as described; all I can say is that the author is known to me, and she has also been vouched for by one other person I trust.”

    Nice try at backpedaling. But it failed.

    If he has done so elsewhere I am not aware of this. But if he hasn’t then you have just shown yourself to be a liar and incapable of comprehending ordinary English.

    Distinctions without differences. The man used his popular blog to allow an anonymous person (who may not even exist) to accuse Shermer of rape and that led to a horde of atheists accusing him of rape. Someone who talks out both sides of his mouth is in no position to accuse me of being a liar. Your consistent personal attacks have earned you a place in the moderation queue.

  10. The Deuce says:

    I just thought I’d throw this out there, for no particular reason whatsoever: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100231060/are-atheists-mentally-ill/

  11. Sam says:

    Clearly, “Atheism” is not simply a lack of belief.

  12. rubbermallet says:

    serial killers are generally also more intelligent than religious people.

  13. stcordova says:

    “serial killers are generally also more intelligent than religious people.” Ouch.

    So were the Nazi scientists.

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