More Delicate Atheists in Action

We’ve seen before that modern day atheists are delicate, fragile little flowers. They are so easily traumatized by public displays of religiosity, they have even formed an organization devoted to turning the public square into one big Atheist Safe Space.

Yet another example of the Quest for Atheist Safe Spaces has come to my attention thanks to Google. This time, it involves some statue of Jesus located in some remote setting in the mountains of Montana.

“And now they’ve been going after this statute of Jesus, which was erected 60 years ago by the Knights of Columbus on a ski resort to memorialize soldiers from the 10th Mountain Division who died fighting in the Alps of Italy,” says Baxter.

Knights of Columbus, a Catholic men’s organization, leases the property from the U.S. Forest Service.

Not surprisingly, the co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, who describes herself as a feminist and liberal (according to wiki), reaches for her fainting couch as she explains how she is being traumatized by the remote statue:

“When I look at that Jesus statue,” FFRF co-president Annie Laurie Gaylor complained, “I see the continuing efforts of this aggressive, missionizing, male-only Catholic club to deny U.S. women the right to abortion and contraception in the name of Jesus.”

Sounds like someone needed a trigger warning. It’s amusing to see a full time atheist activist whine about someone else being aggressive and missionizing, but it’s hard for serious thinkers to take Gaylor seriously here.

Look, atheists often complain how society has a negative view of them. So let me offer some free advice. One of the main reasons there are negative stereotypes about atheists is precisely this type of trouble-making. For 60 years, some remote statue has existed without any incident. There is no evidence that any person has ever felt pressured by the government to become a Catholic because they saw this statue. For the small number of people who have seen it while on vacation, most probably take pictures. Then, along comes an atheist who throws an intolerant, angry tantrum, demanding the statue be removed because they are traumatized by their own anti-Catholic feelings. Then, the atheists will pretend they are getting some type of government message from the statue and everyone has to go to court about it. Again and again.

If the FFRF eventually succeeds in having this harmless statue removed, they will also succeed in helping to entrench the negative stereotypes about atheists.

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19 Responses to More Delicate Atheists in Action

  1. It will continue until Christians stop breaking the law and thinking their privilege allows them yo do whatever they want. Breaking the law for 60 years doesn’t mean it’s OK to keep doing so. Stop breaking the law and then whining about getting called on it, and atheists won’t need to bring it up.

    And no, long before atheist organizations, religious communities ostracized and stigmatized them.

  2. Michael says:

    It will continue until Christians stop breaking the law and thinking their privilege allows them yo do whatever they want. Breaking the law for 60 years doesn’t mean it’s OK to keep doing so. Stop breaking the law and then whining about getting called on it, and atheists won’t need to bring it up.

    Whether any law is being broken is purely a matter of opinion. So far, one Federal judge does not agree with you and the nannies at the FFRF. So now it’s time to look for judges who have a different opinion. Round and round it goes.

    As for the legalistic, Mr. Law and Order posturing, it doesn’t strike me as being very honest. For example, Sam Harris broke the law multiple times as he explored his atheist spirituality and even seems to encourage others to break the law in his new book. Can you list all the public atheists who have spoken out about this lawless behavior?

    And yes, you can credit much of the negative stereotyping of atheists to Madalyn Murray O’Hair and the FFRF. Look at you – getting all mad about someone “breaking the law” because of some 60 year old obscure, remote statue. Do you feel traumatized?

  3. First off I’m not angry. You’re the one that made the butt hurt post because you dislike atheists having the Dane rights you do.

    Second, it’s not opinion. Christians have lost multiple lawsuits already. That’s why you’re butt hurt.

    Third, Sam and other atheists don’t represent me or speak for me. If you say he broke the law, then take it up with him.
    It’s not okay to stereotype. So you cab make all the excuses you want too, but it doesn’t make it okay.

    Keep whining your statues and religious privileges are being opposed while pretending it’s atheists who are angry. If the statue isn’t breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about.

  4. Ilíon says:

    Just remember — atheists, like leftists, are *always* liars, and will do and say *anything* … and its opposite … to impose their wills unon society.

  5. mechanar says:

    so the people how are constantly complainig that humanity is wasting its time and ressources for Religion (whatever that means its a term that describes a huge area) are wasting time and ressources on something they themself say nobody should be bothered about.

    If I hear story like this I can only think of how many schools in africa could have been build ir how many victims of crimes and illness could have beem saved. What these people basically do is go around like a bunch of annoying children and go “Nänänänänä”. What do they think to accomplish? Like michael has pointed out they are looking like the douchbags in these situations and the Side thats being attacked is getting support.

  6. Crude says:

    “When I look at that Jesus statue,” FFRF co-president Annie Laurie Gaylor complained, “I see the continuing efforts of this aggressive, missionizing, male-only Catholic club to deny U.S. women the right to abortion and contraception in the name of Jesus.”

    So this is the atheist version of seeing The Homosexual Agenda in a teletubby, right?

  7. Kevin says:

    Cranium missed the entire point. The FFRF baby wasn’t whining that Christians were breaking the law or that the government was being unfair to other belief systems, at least in the quoted excerpt. She was whining against Catholics and how seeing a statue (gasp!) made her have to go rushing for anti hysteria medication because it reminded her that pro life people exist.

    Hence the theme that Michael points out. While he did over generalize with the first sentence, I fully agree that the New Atheist movement is saturated with emotional cripples, much like the modern progressive movement.

  8. Doug Evans says:

    Godless Cranium is a perfect example of evangelical atheist arrogance in action. He/she/it* has no idea how embarrassing they are. weeping over “broken laws” ignoring the fact that their Holy Grail, the “constitutional” separation of church and state. appears no where in the constitution and only appears in print in liberal blogs and on bumper stickers (usually right above the faded “Mondale for President” admission of failure)

    Worse of all, they completely ignore the fact that evangelical atheism is a theology and is protected by the supreme court as a religion, and they have no problems forcing their religious views down people’s throats to the detriment of society, and are completely unaware of their hypocrisy.

    Ever notice that an evangelical atheist always attack the Bride of Christ? They never attack Mormons, they ignore Jehovah’s Witnesses. Wiccans, Satanists, Scientologists don’t exist as far as they’re concerned, Buddhists, Hindus, and Muslims are almost worshiped by these hypocrites, but the Bride of Christ is constantly under attack. People like Godless Cranium. Annie Laurie, and their patron saint Mikey Weinstein open their mouths they solidify Christian’s beliefs because their bloviations actually prove Jesus Christ was perfect and accurate when He prophesied their hate in John 15:18-25

    Do not despair when you hear an atheist rail against something they are incapable of comprehending, instead rejoice! Their words prove Christ Jesus’ sovereignty and divinity! Pray for them that their eyes will be opened – can you imagine the wonders they will experience if they open their minds and allow the Holy Spirit to convict them? It will be glorious, and painful when they realized how badly they were deceived for so long.

    *(gotta be sure about gender because gender is sooooo important to those that ignore God, even though they’re ignorant of the fact that nouns have a gender, humans have a sex)

  9. TFBW says:

    They never attack Mormons …

    Not so, Doug. Richard Dawkins has targeted several high-profile Mormons in the last few years, in line with his policy of “mock them, ridicule them, in public, with contempt”. See this late 2012 speech from an FFRF convention, for example, where Mitt Romney is singled out by name. He’s also taken a similar tack with Islam, but this tends to produce divisive results: some fellow atheists are quick to respond with accusations of “Islamophobia” — Salon.com tops the charts on a Google search for “dawkins islamophobia”, giving the first three hits at the momen.

    That’s not to say that you’re fundamentally wrong — only that you’re over-reaching. The epicentre of New Atheist hatred is centred on the Bible, and you can still be in the blast area if your religion is in some way derivative of that, such as Mormon and Islam.

  10. Dhay says:

    I wondered why the memorial should be a statue of Jesus: this is why:

    “Intentionally modeled after the statues soldiers encountered in the Alps during World War II, the monument honors those who lost their lives far from home.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/08/big-mountain-jesus-war-memorial-under-assault-from-atheist-group/

    Michael > Sam Harris broke the law multiple times as he explored his atheist spirituality and even seems to encourage others to break the law in his new book.

    Buddhist spirituality; as confirmed recently by Raphael Lataster MSc, who wrote, “[Richard Dawkins’] New Atheist alum Sam Harris would certainly be considered by most religious experts as a Buddhist”; as also confirmed by his attending extended Buddhist meditation retreats (“In my 20’s, I spent 2 years on retreats of this kind, ranging in length from one week to three months” — http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/how-to-meditate); as confirmed by his support for reincarnation and psychic phenomena in his book, The End of Faith (http://www.alternet.org/story/46196/sam_harris%27s_faith_in_eastern_spirituality_and_muslim_torture); as confirmed by his current focus on receiving instruction (and recommending that others seek instruction) from Buddhist Dzogchen teachers, most of whom seem to be very traditional in their teaching of the full Buddhist religion (as religion) including reincarnation, etc.

  11. John says:

    ”First off I’m not angry. You’re the one that made the butt hurt post because you dislike atheists having the Dane rights you do.”

    So atheists and Christians have the same rights?

    By that logic,Michael has the right to remove all New Atheist and FFRF propaganda from the public sphere as the FFRF has to remove Christian expression from the public sphere.

    He has the right to be ”butthurt” about it and to speak up against it as the FFRF has the right to be butthurt about religious expression.

    ”Second, it’s not opinion. Christians have lost multiple lawsuits already.”

    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2015/July/Defiant-OK-Governor-Ten-Commandments-to-Stay-Put/?cpid=:ID:-2789-:DT:-2015-07-09-09:51:45-:US:-AB1-:CN:-CP1-:PO:-NC1-:ME:-SU1-:SO:-FB1-:SP:-NW1-:PF:-IM1-

    They may be loosing some,but they are also winning some.

    Also,I don’t believe such lawsuits will do much.

    There are many countries that have such religious expression but without a FFRF to sue them.

    ” If the statue isn’t breaking the law, you have nothing to worry about.”

    But if the statue IS breaking the law,then how is it exactly breaking the law?

    And even if the statue doesn’t break the law,we still have to worry about atheists being angry and trying to take it down.The problem for them doesn’t seem to be that it breaks the law,but something else.

  12. Preston says:

    I had a private concern about my increasing shakiness in my faith due to some of the New Atheist movement. Is there any email I can contact you at? I really just need someone to talk to as I’m getting major anxiety over this. 😦

  13. TFBW says:

    I’m available to talk if you feel the need: brett.watson@gmail.com

  14. Hi Preston, you can feel free to contact me as well, if you like. wondersforoyarsa@yahoo.com

  15. Preston says:

    Thanks guys, just sent a message.

  16. Cory C says:

    Preston,

    Was your issue resolved? I wouldn’t worry that much over new atheist propagandizing — they lose debates, and they have virtually no credibility in the public sphere.

    Be comforted that the truth is on our side. Christian theism is a rigorous and robust worldview that had stood the test of time, even until He returns.

    Blessings.

  17. Preston says:

    @Cory
    I guess at the core of it I’m deeply afraid of death and it has been causing somewhat crippling depression within me, which is exacerbated by the increasing amount of atheists. In addition, the whole not seeing God, my soul, or heaven thing isn’t helping much either.

  18. Cory C says:

    Preston,

    I hear you, and I feel your anxiety. These things come to us in our frailty, but we need not despair. Here’s a helpful piece that might encourage you. I will be praying for you:

    http://www.equip.org/article/religious-doubt-grows-agonizing/#christian-books-2

  19. Billy Squibs says:

    Preston, this might be a good resource for you to investigate – http://www.rzim.eu/doubt-training-day-oxford-audio

    You mention three areas that are troubling you:
    1) Fear of death
    2) The amount of atheists
    3) Hiddenness of God

    1 & 3 are both complex issues and I think your best bet is finding somebody who has some grounding in theology and philosophy and that can pastorally support you. (I admit that finding the right church and then the right people within can be tricky.) I would also suggest that you pick up a copy of Surprised by Hope by Tom Wright. It personally gave me a lot of hope at a time in my life when there wasn’t a great deal of it going around. Additionally you could try checking out some of WLC answers to the the argument from Divine Hiddenness. (Note I’ve not actually listened to this audio – there might well be superior answers out there – but generally I find him to offer good philosophical responses.)

    Finally, WRT the preponderance of atheists one could look at this as a theological issue (see Divine Hiddenness above) or one could look at this as a personal psychological state – namely how emotionally draining it can be if you are seemingly surrounded people who are actively hostile to something you think is true. (And the internet can make it seem like there is a bogey-man atheist around every corner.) If you are experiencing the latter then again I would encourage you to find a community in which you feel free to express your doubts and people will come along side you and help you through them.

    Please also remember that many professing atheists – like their Christian counterparts – really have not investigated the presuppositions that prop up their beliefs. I personally suffer with strong doubts, and not just about matters of faith. It’s just part of my character. However, I recognise that when I have tackled my Christian doubts I have found reasonable answers and become a stronger Christian. Admittedly this may have meant that my understanding of Christianity changed along the way.

    One last resource that I could recommend is Dealing with Doubt by Garry Habermass. (You might want to use a text enhancer like Readability). Again, I’ve not personally read it but I generally trust the author.

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