More Changes in the Activist Atheist Community

About 5-6 few weeks ago, Richard Carrier made this public on his blog:

In terms of public facts: I am not an employee of either Camp Quest or the SSA, or any of their affiliates. Nor am I on their boards of directors or speakers’ bureaus. I have rarely even volunteered for them. And “the wife of the Executive Director of the Secular Student Alliance” is a strange way to refer to Amanda Metskas, who is actually the national Executive Director of Camp Quest, which Amy seems to be concerned about. Amanda and I are indeed dating. But she and her husband, August Brunsman, are publicly polyamorous,

And now we learn:

After a decade and a half of service, August E. Brunsman IV, Executive Director of the Secular Student Alliance, has announced his decision to depart the organization in the next year as he looks toward the next phase of his life.

Connected?  Coincidence?

In the meantime, Carrier is looking for a place to crash on his road trip to some myther conference:

I’ll be driving from Columbus to Milwaukee to attend the debate. But I don’t have to go direct. I can go a circuitous route. So I’ll be giving those tickets to anyone who can arrange the following:

  • A place to crash for a night on my way to Milwaukee.
  • A gathering of fans or any other interested folk who’d love to hang out and chat with me about history or philosophy, at any pub of your choosing (or any house or place you prefer).

You’ll need to be flexible as to the exact evening for the meetup; it could be any weeknight before that Friday. But we’ll lock the exact night down well in advance. I won’t be delivering a speech or anything. I’ll just be showing up, free of charge, to hang out.

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9 Responses to More Changes in the Activist Atheist Community

  1. Dhay says:

    > I’ll be giving those tickets to anyone who can arrange the following … I won’t be delivering a speech or anything. I’ll just be showing up, free of charge, to hang out. [And get free overnight accommodation.]

    And flog his books.

    For interest, I looked at the price of the book names quoted; and spotted that his yet to be published Science Education in the Early Roman Empire is available to pre-order at Amazon, “List Price: $16.95, Price: $10.99”.

    http://astore.amazon.com/richardcarrier-20/detail/163431090X

    I have not yet pre-ordered any book, so I don’t know what’s normal: is it normal for a book to be price-discounted by 1/3rd before publication?

  2. stcordova says:

    Richard has moved to Columbus Ohio where Amanda Metskas and the SSA are.

    He’s only hanging out at “the most momentous mythicism debate in history” and not speaking?

    For someone who claims he is “the renowned author of several books “, looking for places to crash seems kind of desperate for a six hour drive. He can drive six hours and then get econo lodge for 1 night for $42, and then drive home. If he’s really desperate, there are some big trucking rest stops where there are lots of people and he can crash in his car for free like at a Pilot or Flying J.

    On Richard’s website:
    “For any engagement (virtual or actual) I am also often unavailable, as my calendar fills quickly, so arrangements should be made at least three months in advance, and preferably six months or more.”

    However, Richard provided a link to his “filled up calendar” on his website from the “booking” page and “Events Calendar” link. Check it out for yourself, his calendar looks kind of empty to me.

    Some data from the net on the SSA:
    Staff 12
    Assets: $293,741 USD
    Income: $968,702 USD

    The NCSE and the Discovery Institute CSC have a budget in the realm of 1 million a year.

  3. Ilíon says:

    You’ll need to be flexible as to the exact evening for the meetup; it could be any weeknight before that Friday. But we’ll lock the exact night down well in advance. I won’t be delivering a speech or anything. I’ll just be showing up, free of charge, to hang out.

    p.s. Be flexible, if you know what I mean and I think you do.

  4. Ilíon says:

    Sal, the “ladies” who hang around at the Pilot and Flying J parking lots expect to be paid

  5. Michael says:

    Richard has moved to Columbus Ohio where Amanda Metskas and the SSA are.

    I noticed on Carrier’s notpology thread that someone named Gleb Tsipursky showed up to support and promote Carrier. Tsipursky is a history professor at Ohio State and another SSA speaker (and somewhat of an apologist for the Soviet Union). Carrier previously endorsed his book.

  6. Michael says:

    Sal, the “ladies” who hang around at the Pilot and Flying J parking lots expect to be paid

    Aren’t signed copies of his book worth something?

  7. TFBW says:

    Aren’t signed copies of his book worth something?

    Judging by the lack of them on eBay, I’m going with “no”. And yes, signed books are an actual thing on eBay, if there was any doubt.

  8. stcordova says:

    “Sal, the “ladies” who hang around at the Pilot and Flying J parking lots expect to be paid”

    I recall an anonymous atheist blogger going by the handle Shermerton confronting Carrier. Shermerton is probably a fan of Michael Shermer and took exception to Carrier labeling Shermer a rapist.

    After Carrier bragged about all his affairs, Shermerton referred Carrier to a Bayesian analysis related to the likelihood of someone with Carrier’s lifestyle contracting venereal disease.

    I just about died laughing.

  9. Michael says:

    The Friendly Atheist gushes over August:

    Jesus, that’s one hell of an incredible legacy to leave behind.

    I don’t know what August’s future plans are, but I can only imagine the doors are wide open for him. How many people can start a non-profit organization from virtually nothing and grow it into a massive group that has several paid staff members and a seven-figure budget? How many people can learn how to manage that budget? How many people know how to talk to donors, and write grant proposals, and mentor people with little experience in the non-profit world? How many people are willing to make so many personal sacrifices in order to see the organization grow?

    It’s a very, very short list.

    The SSA says they’ll begin searching for a new Executive Director in the coming weeks.

    Okay, if he is so good and so hard to replace, why did August quit?

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