Atheists Believe Without Evidence

The internet atheists once again proudly showcase their gullibility. This time it’s about the mean Christians who vandalized a park all because some lovable Satanists wanted to keep it clean.

Atheist actvist Hemant Mehta explains:

A few days ago, I posted that The Satanic Temple chapter in West Florida “adopted” Hitzman-Optimist Park in Pensacola, vowing to keep it clean. Groups that participate in the program, Keep Pensacola Beautiful, get some publicity via a sign in the park.
Well, the park and the sign have already been vandalized by Christians — or at least in the name of Christianity.

The Satanists are horrified by it all:

Jes Smith, the head of this Satanic chapter, told me the vandalism likely happened last night or this morning. The group would’ve cleaned it up by now, but given the mayor’s comments, he’s waiting to hear back from Keep Pensacola Beautiful as to how they want to move forward with the adoption situation. (This is all assuming the mayor’s explanation is accurate about the adoption of this park being a clerical mistake and not some personal vendetta against Satanists.) If the city says it’s their responsibility to clean the park, they’ll have to deal with the spray paint.

As for the graffiti, Smith added that it’s unfortunate someone would do this in an effort to discourage them from cleaning the park. He added that observers should challenge themselves to question “what it means when Satanists want to clean the park, and someone motivated by Jesus wants to vandalize the park.”

Ah, except there is one problem. What if we were to ask Mehta and Smith for the evidence that a Christian was behind this?

It’s clear these two actvists believe this, but their belief is rooted in faith. A blind faith. For there is no evidence a Christian vandalized this park. The spray painted messages could just as easily have been the work of a) a troll or b) a satanist. In other words, proposing a troll or satanist as the vandal is just as plausible as a Christian being the vandal. What’s more, there is circumstantial evidence to support either alternative.

As for the troll, it could have been someone who lived not far from the park and an avid fan of Mehta’s site (keep in mind that mass murderers have been fans of the Friendly Atheist site). The Mehta fan gets a can of spray paint and decides to “Poe” everyone after reading Mehta’s orginal post. The fact that the vandalism occured just a few days after Mehta being the only one giving these Satanists publicity supports this hypothesis. Also, the actual writing of the vandal smells like something a troll would write. Across the one sign, we read WWRD. What would Riggins do?

And then this was written on the fence: “Jesus God will crush your hidden temple county owes answers.”

Sounds like a troll having fun turning Jesus into the Incredible Hulk.

Of course, the vandal could just have easily been a Satanist. Given that Satanists are actvists who like to engage in ironic street theater, this whole incident looks exactly like street theater designed to highligh the ironic. In fact, the Satanists are quick to exploit this as part of their publicity stunt:

“The group would’ve cleaned it up by now, but given the mayor’s comments, he’s waiting to hear back from Keep Pensacola Beautiful”


“He added that observers should challenge themselves to question “what it means when Satanists want to clean the park, and someone motivated by Jesus wants to vandalize the park.”

Look, given the history of satanic actvism and their love of the ironic, can anyone out there actually argue that the Satanists would never ever dare engage in such deceptive political theater? I thought not.

So you see, at the very least, a toll or Satanists would just have plauisibly committed the vandalism. Yet the atheists believe it was a Christian. And when I scanned the comments section of Mehta’s site, his atheist followers bought into that belief hook, line, and sinker.
Gullibility on parade.

Just another concrete, undeniable example of atheists eschewing evidence in order to cling to their emotional beliefs.

BTW, be sure to read DHay’s comments on this matter.


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9 Responses to Atheists Believe Without Evidence

  1. TFBW says:

    Hoax hate-vandalism is so common that it’s not obvious whether the genuine article even counts for the majority of cases. I can understand how tempting it would be to fake it, given the easy sympathy it generates, and doubly so if you also want to smear the alleged vandals. It’s a bit shocking how culturally acceptable such fraud and slander has become, though. That escalated quickly.

  2. Kano says:

    I noticed that Sam Harris and Annaka Harris, ( Sam’s wife ) are stepping away from the materialistic view and now see that as a silly view. ( how could I have not noticed that until now? Silly me! )
    I wonder how hard lined atheists/materialists react to that? Probably not very well.
    I say that, because Thomas Nagel has already received responses from atheists like Jerry Coyne ( yes, the person who constantly *coughsWhinescoughs* says anyone who disagrees with materialism is uncomfortable or afraid of reductionism. They desperately want there to be more than that ) that say something along these lines of “I wish Nagel applied a little bit more skepticism and critical thinking. He’s straying away from truth and science.”
    Which to me sounds like “I wish he denied the possibility of consciousness being separate from the brain. Doesn’t he know that the hard problem of consciousness is for poorly educated believers who desperately want there to be an afterlife and souls? Out of fear of oblivion? He’s leaning towards woo woo and comforting fantasy, and away from truth and reality. He’s ready for a tinfoil hat. And a mental hospital.” There are many former atheist/materialists that receive similar responses. I’m agnostic on these things and even I receive them from materialists on a regular basis. I’ve made a mistake of telling them about my own experiences (OBEs) once. The result was me being told to read books by Metzinger and Christopher Loren, and “educate myself”. And to visit and read through the website › astr…Astral Projection Revealed and Explained FINALLY!!! – unSpirituality where astral projection, souls, and afterlife have been ‘debunked’. (article says nothing new. Author merely got too excited and jumped to the conclusion that mystical phenomena as a whole are all “brain based”) And how “If you believe in the astral realm, your biology will create the illusion. It’s all in the nervous system. Whatever helps you cope, and gets you out of bed to survive and reproduce. Mental and physical suffering pain, and hardships are the result of an evolutionary survival mechanism telling you something is amiss. Not from a higher spiritual existence.”

    If I had a dollar for each response I’ve received, despite being agnostic, I’d be rich. And if these responses were physical instead of verbal, I’d be tasting blood, horribly bruised, have blood stains all over my clothes, and a black eye. And probably wishing for death, due to the serious painful injuries.

  3. Dhay says:

    > And when I scanned the comments section of Mehta’s site, his atheist followers bought into that belief hook, line, and sinker. Gullibility on parade.

    The comments section of Hemant Mehta’s post earlier announcing the Park had been adopted and the sign finally put up contains a number of comments in expectation that the sign would quickly be vandalised or the Park otherwise trashed. With so much expectation the vandalism looks almost like wish-fulfilment.


    Mehta moaned that it had taken the charity “eight weeks“, italics Mehta’s, to put the sign up — it’s a charity, not a paid publicity agency, and if it takes eight weeks to replace a sign it’ll be there eight weeks past the end of their two years.

    The litter-picking commitment is hardly onerous: once a quarter, eight times in two years. Then presumably the parks are re-tendered and re-signposted. The main work is done by Keep Pensacola Beautiful employees, who:

    … empty trash cans at each site and clean up litter up to 30 feet around each can. We have two full time drivers that maintain this contract, working six days a week!

    If, as I expect, the trash cans are sited in the main areas where litter can be expected — eg near the kiddies’ swings, the picnic tables and the like — the rest of the Park should be relatively litter-free, litter-free enough to only require tidying once a quarter. If it were worse, it would be more frequent, so not onerous. The Satanists have evidently litter-picked just once so far, so they’ve had a good return in publicity for their work, they can posture as poor victimised us, they’ve done a good deed for park-users (which would normally count for something among genuine altruists), and they get publicity next park around when its sign goes up in another eight weeks.

    Poor, poor Satanists, I wonder how they cope with this tragedy..


    It occurs to me that someone in the heat of objecting to a sign will vandalise the sign first, and with a relevant message — WWJD, What Would Jesus Do, perhaps? — then move away to the railings and road; what impulsive graffiti sprayer starts with the ancillary messages.

    That WWRD looks like a winking smiley to me. It also, in my mind, sways the probability away from the graffiti sprayer being a Satanist (or a Christian) towards it being a vandal/troll.

    Yobs happen: get on with life.


    It’s not the only park vandalised like that: if you follow Hemant Mehta’s link to …

    … and scroll down to the second and third replies by Chris Brennan there’s pictures of graffiti damage to the nearby Gene Pickerill Park’s sign and adjacent area of concrete. The first of the two photos shows the sign with the wording, “Don’t Support Satan”, graffiti’d on the sign and [I couldn’t make either out] on the horizontal and on one supporting leg. Looks like the same red paint and writing style as was graffiti’d on the Hitzman-Optimist Park sign. From that wording it looks as if the sprayer is anti-Satanist: but then you look at the next reply’s photo, and you find that in the same red paint and writing style the message is “Every Park will Be protected from A hidden JomB” — go figure, but I don’t think Christian anti-Satanists “motivated by Jesus” figure, it’s more like the trolling technique of leaving meaningless messages to cause confusion, for a laugh at anyone trying to puzzle out sense, the modern equivalent of (the creation myth for) “quiz”.


    (I suspect JB — see the recent ‘God of the Gaps Atheism’ thread’ — has adopted this trolling technique. Abrogate gravity, indeed! Redefine agnosticism, indeed!)

  4. Kano says:

    Regarding paranormal phenomena. Sometimes I’m convinced. Other times, not as much, depending on the evidence and how strong it is. Healthy skepticism and critical thinking are good to learn, grow, and get out of one’s comfort zone. Otherwise, you’re in a boring, nonproductive echo chamber and you’ll get nowhere.
    But I can tell when someone is being a healthy skeptic, and when someone is just dismissing everything, because it doesn’t fit materialism. Christopher Zzenn Loren and Jerry Coyne seem do the latter, not the former.
    I’ve followed Coyne and Loren in the first place years ago, because they
    mentioned “skepticism and critical thinking”. Boy was I naive/gullible back then.
    You can’t just throw the words woo, BS, pseudoscience, and accuse someone of “denying reality, clinging to fantasy, wishful thinking, and twisting/distorting science to fit supernatural fantasies”, every time someone or something disagrees with or contradicts materialism.

    Do I find the reductionist materialist view deeply depressing? Yes. Do I find the ideas of an afterlife and that there’s more to reality than the physical, comforting ideas? Yes. Does the idea that all physical and mental pain and suffering due to inevitable and severe illnesses/injuries, will all be rewarded in the end, get me out of bed in the morning? Yes. Is oblivion/total annihilation at death or longing for a greater reality what drove to question or look beyond materialism in the first place? No. Would I still believe in any of the paranormal if there were ZERO evidence, just because it gets me out of bed and makes me feel better? No. I would accept that reality, no matter how depressing, or how much it makes me want to lay in bed all day, or do a lot of drugs. Only if there were zero evidence. I’m pretty sure most of you would accept it too. But that’s not the case.
    And I’ve experienced OBEs too many times to say that the mind is completely brain-based. If it only happened once, I would’ve called it a fluke. But it happened way more than once.
    I’m just learning to trust and accept my experiences. I’ve been doubting, judging, denying, and dismissing them long enough, and now I want to stop. I’m tired of dismissing them as a result of illusions, neurons misfiring, a ‘sick brain’, long delusions, and mental illnesses, when in reality, I’m okay.
    I own a couple of books by Robert Monroe ( who passed away in 1995. Pardon me if I’ve gotten the date wrong ). He thought he was seriously mentally or physically ill when he first started having the experiences, before finally embracing and accepting them as something more, after applying skepticism. It took me 3 whole years to finally accept them. Which is long enough. The is really interesting.
    Jerry Coyne has probably written about him being a ‘pseudoscientific woo-meister” or “reality and science denying delusional woo promoter” too. And if he or his followers discover my comments here, he can call me an ‘oblivion fearing, naive fairytale anti-science believer’ all he wants. But it won’t change anything.

    So contrary to what Christopher Loren, Jerry Coyne, and his followers say, it’s not that many of us are ‘afraid or uncomfortable with accepting reductionist materialism’, it’s just that we can’t. More and more evidence against it is mounting up, and throwing everything into the “woo and fear-driven pseudoscience” category, will not make it go away.

    Sorry this is so long. Once I start writing, more words will keep popping into my head.

  5. Kevin says:

    Being a Christian, I obviously believe there is more to reality than what materialism allows. But for any given supernatural or paranormal claim, I treat it as any open minded person would – skeptical but not dismissive. Many claims have more likely “normal” explanations, but I’ve had two in particular that I have yet to come up with a suitable explanation.

    In my son’s room is a TV built in 1984, one that has no remote and must and you have to turn it on and switch channels manually. I work night shift, so the kids were at school and I was asleep, the only one home. In the dream I was having, I went into his room and turned the TV on, and I was snapped awake by the sound of the TV coming on in his room, with the loud static noise older TVs make when there is no signal.

    What would a skeptic say, that I got up, turned the TV on, rushed back to my room, got back under the covers, and then snapped awake, all coordinated with the timing of the dream? That the TV somehow popped on, and rather than immediately snapping awake, my brain had a .01 second dream in which I performed various tasks, then went and turned the TV on incorporate the sound? Coyne would say “yes”, even though research has shown that dream activities actually seem to occur in slow motion relative to “real time”.

    In the other incident, I was speaking with a coworker and was hit with what initially felt like déjà vu, but it was so powerful that I knew precisely what the person was going to say, word for word, and I also knew for a fact who was about to round the corner and what she was going to ask. It was as strong as a memory, only in reverse, and I was just sort of standing there like an idiot watching it play out exactly as I knew it would. It was a rather uncanny experience.

    Of course Coyne would dismiss that, too. Probably that I made it up, or had a lucky guess, or that I was operating on subconscious cues that somehow perfectly predicted the words and actions of two people, one of whom was not even present initially, for five to ten seconds.

    Personally, the non-naturalistic explanations seem at least equally likely to those stretches.

  6. Kano says:

    Yes, Kevin.
    And if all else fails: False memories.
    Or as Zzenn Loren says: Your biology creating the illusion of the metaphysical phenomena, because you believe in it. It’s all in the brain, nervous system, and subconscious. And evolutionary survival mechanisms. Not a spirit, astral realm or other childish fantasies. Same thing with hardships, mental and physical pain and suffering.

    So basically, all afterlife evidence books, NDE research, immaterial explanations for things, are all driven by a will or a desire to believe in a greater reality, and an eternal afterlife. Agnostic or former hardcore skeptic. So don’t bother researching.

    You can’t win. But I’ve seen a lot of atheists that are more… civilized, rational, less aggressive, and not hurling the words woo and pseudoscience every 20 seconds, unlike Coyne and Zzenn Loren.

    Anyways, I’ll try to comment here often on this blog, but no promises, because I’m very busy lately.

  7. Dhay says:

    Those liberal activists, Satanists, clean litter once a quarter. But:

    BALTIMORE (WJZ) — A conservative activist led hundreds of volunteers in cleaning up a west Baltimore neighborhood Monday, more than a week after President Donald Trump called the city a “disgusting, rat and rodent infested mess.” Armed with gloves and trash bags, volunteers from all over the country picked up trash and pulled weeds along North Fulton Avenue. …

    Trump supporter and Republican activist Scott Pressler organized the clean-up event. … “We thought everybody is saying a lot of stuff but where’s the actual action? Where’s the actual doing?” Pressler said. … “This is Americans helping Americans,” he said. “I don’t care if you’re black, white, green or purple, we’re all in this together.” The group said their goal is to continue coming out to clean at least once per month.

    Conservative activists intend to clean once a month.

  8. TFBW says:

    The sheer quantity of garbage they removed is quite staggering. Skip to around 6:30 on this video if the clean-up aspect interests you. The remainder is interviews with locals as to what Baltimore is like.

  9. Dhay says:

    This might or might not be a case of “Atheists Believe Without Evidence” (the OP), but it’s definitely a case of atheists believing and of an absence of any evidence — an absence of any evidence provided, at any rate.

    Both Jerry Coyne and Hemant Mehta have published blog posts publicising a campaign by Ex-Muslims of North America (EXMNA.) The billboards EXMNA has put up say “Nearly one in four Muslims raised in the US have left Islam” with the tagline “Godless. Fearless. Ex-Muslim.”

    (That first part about ex-Islamic Muslims looks very like an oxymoron, but let’s ignore that.)

    What intrigued me was the implicit claim that all of that “nearly one in four” became Godless atheists rather than some, or most, becoming Christians, with possibly or probably some becoming Moon Goddess worshippers, Godless Buddhists, etc etc. That seems distinctly implausible, whatever Coyne and Mehta might wishfully imagine about a 100% conversion rate to atheism.

    What, I thought, was the actual breakdown of what that “nearly one in four” ended up as; what organisation or qualified team researched the data, using what methods, what sample size; or was it based on eg a single Godless-ex-Muslim asking along their street to find out who had left Islam, who remained. The figures and details, or a link thereto, would presumably be on the EXMNA website.

    But no, it isn’t. Or not that I can see. The single headline figure, that “nearly one in four” have become 100% of them Godless atheists, might (implausibly) be correct, but there’s no way to check. For all I know the figures are total bullshit. And for all Coyne and Mehta know the figures are total bullshit.

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